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[Trey Gowdy & Gerald Connolly Call For Removing Marijuana As Schedule 1 Drug]
Mr. Gowdy: Source: LYBIO.net
Virgin Island Jill’s back I’ll recognize myself four or five minutes of questioning. Dr. Humphries it is currently against the law to prescribe controlled substances outside the course of a professional medical practice. It’s a pretty arcane statute, it is not used all that often, but it strikes me that until you control that group that is uniquely empowered to prescribe controlled substances and I appreciate the fact that director Baum thinks this is an education issue. I don’t know that many dumb doctors, I don’t know that many, I don’t think it’s an education issue as much as it is a money issue.
So how do we capture the attention of those uniquely situated people in our culture who have the authority to write controlled substance prescriptions.
Thank you for that question Mr. Chairman, I divide doctors up as follows; the biggest group of doctors are good people who do the right thing and they need to be left alone.
Second biggest group are good doctors who do the wrong thing and they need education and training.
There is a third group it is a small group, it’s probably less than 1% of physicians, who are not good people. And they do the wrong thing knowingly and we saw this my time at ONDCP in Florida, when a massive concentration of people giving out huge quantities of OxyContin and I think at that point they’re no different than any other drug trafficker.
In fact that they’re an MD is irrelevant, they know what they’re doing, they’re being harmful and that’s why we have law enforcement to go after them and I’m all for them doing that.
Well, I know we do, we certainly used to it was Phentermine and Fenfluramine back when I was at the DA’s office, but DA Diversion is not as active unless you know something I don’t know they’re not as active as they once were.
So I get that it’s hard to go after doctors and just so the records are clear my Dad is a physician, I actually like doctors but they are uniquely empowered in our culture.
Gerry Connolly can’t write a prescription for an antibiotic or a controlled substance. Doctors can and you can be in this specialty but write an analgesic prescription.
So I’m with you, I appreciate the difference you showed of physicians that it’s an education and I do think the overwhelming majority want to do the right thing for the right reasons, but there’s a lot of money in this particular realm. And until there are prosecutions for physicians who prescribe outside the course of a professional medical and what I mean by that just so nobody thinks I’m getting too complicated.
Well I think the prescription on a cocktail napkin at a bar for someone you just met that you’ve never done any diagnostic tests on, you just happen to take his or her word I – I like my chances in front of a jury of that being outside the course of a professional medical practice.
So Mr. Baum as he write your plan, it’d be great if you could address DA Diversion and whether or not they’re being plussed up. I know it’s tough to go after doctors, juries are sympathetic with them but they’re uniquely positioned in our culture and somehow or another we got to address it.
So Mr. Humphreys, let me ask you this, you mentioned drug court a couple times. Do you have a position or is there research that indicates whether pre-adjudication drug courts or post adjudication drug courts work better?
I’m not aware of research that proves that point because those populations are really different kinds of people, typically the people who are given the option early versus later.
I do know that both, both drug courts as well as other models that have been promulgated, HOPE Probation is one that now the Federal Government supports 24/7 Sobriety on the alcohol side, where you use the court as a mechanism to enforce abstinence with regular checks and treatment backup as needed.
All show very good outcomes, we should be doing those much more by good outcomes I mean you get the tri-factor. The public is safer, as the person is held accountable, substance used goes down and then incarceration goes down.
I want you to help me with something, if you can and I ask this respectfully as you travel, if you’re ever invited to address a group of public defenders or criminal defense attorneys oftentimes they will refuse the offer of drug court because probation is easier. It is not better for their clients, but it’s easier.
So we’ve got to kind of reconfigure what is in the best interest of the client remaining addicted, by just having a shorter period of probation is not in the best interest of the client and they’ll believe you and they won’t believe an old prosecutor.
So in my remaining time Director Baum, in case my mom is watching, I want to be really clear. I’m not advocating for the legalization of marijuana, and I will be very, very clear about that.
However I don’t understand why it’s a Schedule I, it’s certainly not treated as a inherently dangerous substance for which there is no medicine or value. It takes a tractor trailer full of marijuana to even trigger a mandatory minimum under our drug laws. So is there any appetite for researching whether or not it should remain a Schedule I drug?
Mr. Baum: Source: LYBIO.net
Congressman the administration does not have a position on that and I’m having a dialogue with your office and let me just briefly say that we strongly support research on medical use of marijuana. And if there are obstacles that we see that prevent good research we want to address those obstacles because if there are component elements of marijuana that could be put through the FDA process and turn into medicines
that could help people in this country, we want to do that.
So we do think there’s some potential and we support research on the subject.
Well, just so everyone is clear Methamphetamine is Scheduled I
I believe it is Scheduled II.
Cocaine is Schedule I.
Cocaine base is Schedule I.
So it is a Schedule lower than marijuana, and again you can schedule something and still not have it scheduled as a one and I would encourage the powers that be, whoever you need to consult with in the administration to at least explore whether or not it is scheduled correctly, without being perceived as advocating for legalization.
Mr. Gowdy: Source: LYBIO.net
With that Mr. Connolly I will give you a chance to, I’m reluctant to say whatever you want but I’m going to give you a chance to conclude.
I thank my friend. And I actually want to follow-up if I may on – So, the point being made here in some ways Mr. Baum is if you not you personally, if the government, Federal Government on this subject marijuana and how dangerous it is, has no credibility because of the lack of serious empirical work. It threatens our whole drug policies credibility, and you are seeing this happen on marijuana in the states.
They’re making decisions, Mr. Norton talked about eight states but there are over 25 states that have in some fashion including my home state of Virginia liberalized their laws for medical reasons, all the way to recreational reasons.
You, I think you’d have to confess to the Chairman’s point there was no empirical evidence to justify putting marijuana 50 years ago as a Schedule I drug. Who did that empirical evidence?
Sorry could you repeat that, who did what?
I am asserting and you can feel free to try to contradict, there was in fact no empirical evidence to justify putting marijuana ahead of the drugs the Chairman just listed as a Schedule 1 drug, 50 years ago. And I wouldn’t – you, you brought up the need to have empirical research before we start rushing pell-mell to approve it for medical purposes and I agree with you. But here’s the problem as I said in my opening statement only one federal entity NIDA controls marijuana for legal purposes for experimentation testing and the like research. And NIDA’s missions is all about proving the harms of something.
They have eight priority determined the outcome of research. Nobody thinks NIDA is an objective neutral place to go to look at the good, the bad, and the different about marijuana. It doesn’t have that credibility, so if we’re going to do what you suggest we need to have a different entity with credibility where we’re looking at objective evidence and science. And then we can determine well where does marijuana work, this Mr. Humphreys has made the point that there’s a more lethal or stronger more fortified versions of marijuana coming out that concerned us.
But we put a lot of people in jail and we’ve treated this like it’s more dangerous than cocaine and the other substances Chairman had and, and it has had huge consequences based on very little scientific evidence. I’m not arguing for the legalization either, I agree with my friend from South Carolina. I’m not going there – but neither can I justify the current policy of treating it as the world’s most dangerous drug with this classification.
You can feel free to respond and I’m done.
Mr. Baum: Source: LYBIO.net
Congressman I understand the point that you’re making, I would love to go with you in your district to talk to Police, Police Chiefs, and Sheriff’s. I think in reality on the street Police, Sheriff’s they don’t treat marijuana the way they treat heroin and fentanyl.
So I think in practice there is a prioritization of the most deadly drug threats.
Mr. Gowdy: Source: LYBIO.net
I think I actually think that’s his point, is that law enforcement doesn’t, our sentencing scheme does not, methamphetamine and marijuana are not treated the same from the sentencing standpoint, but yet marijuana is considered to be inherently dangerous with no medicinal value therefore a Schedule I and it would just be helpful again to Mr. Connelly’s point for us to have some consistency or at least be able to explain, why certain drugs are Scheduled I and others are not and you know we can save that for another day.
And again that’s coming from two people that are not advocating for the legalization, just for some common sense on how it’s scheduled.
On behalf of all the members I want to thank all of our witnesses for your expertise Mr. and Mrs. Flattery in your case you’re very tragically earned…
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