President Trump’s Heated Exchange With Pelosi And Schumer Over Border Wall Security
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[President Trump’s Heated Exchange With Pelosi And Schumer Over Border Wall Security]
[President Trump:] Source: LYBIO.net
OK, thank you very much. It’s a great honor to have Nancy Pelosi with us, and Chuck Schumer with us. And we’ve actually worked very hard on a couple of things that are happening.
Criminal justice reform, as you know, we just heard word – got word that Mitch McConnell and the group, we’re going to be putting it up for a vote.
We have great Democrat support, great Republican support. So criminal justice reform is something that people have been trying to get, how long, Nancy? Many years.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
A long time.
[President Trump:]
Many, many years. It looks like it’s going to be passing, hopefully – famous last words – on a very bipartisan way.
And it’s uh… really something we’re all very proud of it. And, again, tremendous support from Republicans and tremendous support from Democrats. And I think it’s going to get a very good vote. And we’ll see soon enough. But it will be up for a vote very shortly. A lot of years they’ve been waiting for it.
The other thing, the Farm Bill is moving along nicely, and I guess they’ll be voting on Friday or so, but pretty close. And we think the Farm Bill is in very good shape. A lot of good things are happening with it, and our farmers are well taken care of. And again, that’ll be quite bipartisan, and it’ll happen pretty soon.
And then we have the easy one, the wall. That will be the one that will be the easiest of all. What do you think, Chuck? Maybe not.
[Chuck Schumer:]
It’s called funding the government, Mr. President.
[President Trump:]
Ha-ha… So we’re going to see. But I will tell you the wall will get built. We’ll see what happens. It is not an easy situation because the Democrats have a different view, I think that I can say, the Republicans. We have great Republican support. We don’t have Democrat support. But we’re going to talk about that now. We’re going to see.
One thing that I do have to say is tremendous amounts of wall have already been built, and a lot of – a lot of wall when you include the renovation of existing fences and walls we’ve renovated a tremendous amount, and we’ve done a lot of work.
In San Diego we’re building new walls right now. And we’ve – right next to San Diego, we’ve completed a major section of wall, and it’s really worked well.
So a lot of wall has been built. We don’t talk about that, but we might as well start because it’s building – it’s being built right now. Big sections of wall. And we will continue that. And one way or the other it’s going to get built.
I’d like not to see a government closing, a shutdown.
We will see what happens over the next short period of time.
But the wall is a very important thing to us.
I might put it a different way.
Border security is extremely important, and we have to take care of border security when you look at what happened with the caravans – with the people – with a lot of people. We shut it down. We had no choice. We shut it down. But it could be a lot easier if we had real border security.
I just want to pay my respects to the Border Patrol agents and officers. They’ve been incredible.
The ICE agents and officers, they’ve been incredible, and very importantly, our military.
Our military went in and they did an incredible job. They have been really, really spectacular. A lot of the people that wanted to come into the country and really they wanted to come in, no matter how they wanted to come in; they were going to come in, even a rough way.
Many of these people are leaving now, and they’re going back to their countries – Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and other countries. They’re leaving. If you noticed, it’s getting a lot less crowded in Mexico. And a lot of them are going to stay in Mexico, and the Mexican governments has been working with us very well. So we appreciate that. But they haven’t been coming into our country. We can’t let people come in that way. So that’s pretty much it.
[President Trump:]
We’re going to talk about the wall. I wanted to talk about criminal justice reform just to let you know how positive that is. I want to talk about the Farm Bill how positive that is, and I want to talk about the wall. And I will tell you, it’s a tough issue, because we are on very opposite sides of – I really think I can say border security, but certainly the wall.
But the wall will get built. A lot of the wall is built. It’s been very effective. I – I asked for a couple of notes on that. If you look at San Diego, illegal traffic dropped 92% once the wall was up. El Paso, illegal traffic dropped 72%, then ultimately 95% once the wall was up.
In Tucson, Arizona, illegal traffic dropped 92%. Yuma, it dropped illegal traffic 95 to 96 percent.
I mean, and that – and when I say dropped, the only reason we even have any percentage where people got through is because they walk and go around areas that aren’t built. It dropped virtually 100 percent in the areas where the wall is. So I mean, it’s very effective.
If you really want to find out how effective a wall is, just ask Israel. 99.9% effective that our wall will be every bit as good as that, if not better.
So we’ve done a lot of work on the wall, a lot of wall is built. A lot of people don’t know that. A lot of wall is renovated. We have walls were in very bad condition and they are now in A-1 tip-top shape.
And frankly, some wall has been reinforced by our military. Our military has done a fantastic job. So the wall will get built, but we may not – we may not have an agreement today. We probably won’t. But we have an agreement on other things that are really good.
Nancy, would you like to say something.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Well, thank you, Mr. President for the opportunity to meet with you, so that we can work together in a bipartisan way to meet the needs of the American people.
I think the American people recognize that we must keep government open, that a shutdown is not worth anything, and that you should not have a Trump Shutdown.
You have a…
[President Trump:]
Did you say “Trump?” Oh?
[Nancy Pelosi:]
You have the White House. You have the Senate. You have the House of Representatives. You have the votes. You should pass it.
[President Trump:]
No, we don’t have the votes, Nancy, because in the Senate we need 60 votes –
[Nancy Pelosi:]
No, no, but in the House –
[President Trump:]
– and we don’t have.
[Nancy Pelosi:] LYBIO.net
– you could bring it up right now.
[President Trump:]
Yes, but I can’t – excuse me, but I can’t get it passed in the House if it’s not going to pass in the Senate; I don’t want to waste time.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Well, well, the fact is, you can get it started that way.
[President Trump:]
The House we could get passed very easily, and we do.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
OK, then do it. Then do it.
[President Trump:]
But the problem is the Senate, because we need 10 Democrats to vote, and they won’t vote.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Ya, that’s not the point, Mr. President. The point is that there are equities to be weighed. And we are here to have a conversation in a prayerful way.
[President Trump:]
Right.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
So I don’t think we should have a debate in front of the press on this, but the fact is, the Senate – the House Republicans could bring up this bill if they had the votes immediately and set the tone for what you want.
[President Trump:]
If we thought we were going to get it passed in the Senate, Nancy, we would do it immediately. We would get it passed very easily in the House.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
That’s not the point.
[President Trump:]
We would get it. Nancy, I’d have it passed in two seconds. It doesn’t matter though, because can’t get it passed in the Senate because we need 10 Democrat votes. That’s the problem.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Well, again, let us have our conversation then we can meet with the press again. But the fact is – is that legislating, which is what we do –
[President Trump:]
Right.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
– you begin, you make your point, you state your case. That’s what the House Republicans could do, if they had the votes. But there are no votes in the House, a majority of votes, for a wall, no matter where you start.
[Chuck Schumer:]
You’re absolutely right. That’s exactly right. You don’t have the…
[President Trump:] Source: LYBIO.net
If I needed the votes for the wall in the House, I would have them in one session; it would be done.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Well, then go do it. Go do it.
[President Trump:]
It doesn’t help, because we need 10 Democrats in the Senate.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
No, don’t put it on the Senate –
[President Trump:]
Of course –
[Nancy Pelosi:]
– put it on – put it on the negotiation.
[President Trump:]
OK, let me ask you this, just – and we’re doing this in a very friendly manner. It doesn’t help for me to take a vote in the House where I will win easily with the Republicans.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
You will not win.
[President Trump:]
It doesn’t help to take that vote, because I’m not going to vote the vote of the Senate.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Don’t put it on Senators.
[President Trump:]
I need 10 senators. That’s the problem.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Mr. President, you have the White House, you have the Senate…
[President Trump:]
I have the White House. The White House is done…
[Nancy Pelosi:]
You have the House of Representatives –
[President Trump:]
– and the House would give me the vote if I wanted it. But I can’t because I need…
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Well you can’t –
[President Trump:]
Nancy, I need 10 votes from Chuck.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Mr. President – let me –
[Chuck Schumer:]
All right, let me say something here.
[Nancy Pelosi:] Source: LYBIO.net
– let me say one thing. The fact is – you do not have the votes in the House.
[President Trump:]
Nancy, I do, and we need border security.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Well, let’s take the vote and we’ll find out.
[President Trump:]
Nancy, Nancy, we need border security. It’s very simple.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Of course we do.
[President Trump:]
We need border security.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
We do.
[President Trump:]
People are pouring into our country, including terrorists. We have terrorists. But we caught 10 terrorists over the last very short period of time – ten.
These are very serious people.
Our border agents – all of our law enforcement have been incredible, what they’ve done – but we caught 10 terrorists, these are people that were looking to do harm.
We need the wall.
We need – more important than anything, we need border security of which the wall is just a piece, but it’s important.
Chuck, did you want to say something?
[Chuck Schumer:]
Ok, here’s what I wanted to say. We have a lot of disagreements here. The Washington Post today gave you a whole lot of Pinnocchios, because they say you constantly misstate how much of the wall is built – how much of the wall is built and how much there – but that’s not the point here. We have a disagreement about the wall.
[President Trump:] Source: LYBIO.net
The Washington Post… [laughs]
[Chuck Schumer:]
Whether it’s effective or it isn’t. Not on border security, but on the wall.
We do not want to shut down the government. You were called 20 times to shut down the government. You say, I want to shut down the government. We don’t.
We want to come to an agreement.
If we can’t come to an agreement.
We have solutions that will pass the House and Senate right now and will not shut down the government, and that’s what we’re urging you to do, not threaten to shut down the government.
[President Trump:]
But you don’t want to shut down the government, Chuck…
[Chuck Schumer:]
Let me just finish! Because you can’t get your way.
[President Trump:]
The last time you shut it down you got killed.
[Chuck Schumer:]
Ya, let me say something, Mr. President. You just say, my way or we’ll shut down the government. We have a proposal that Democrats and Republicans will support to do a C.R. that will not shut down the government. We urge you to take it.
[President Trump:]
And if it’s not good border security, I won’t take it.
[Chuck Schumer:]
It’s very good border security.
[President Trump:]
And if it’s not good border security I won’t take it.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
It is good border security. It is exactly what border security asked for.
[Chuck Schumer:]
It’s what the border –
[President Trump:] Source: LYBIO.net
Because when you look at these numbers of the effectiveness of our border security, and when you look at the job that we’re doing with our military…
[Chuck Schumer:]
You just said it is effective.
[President Trump:]
Can I please – can I tell you something?
[Chuck Schumer:]
Yes, you just said it’s effective.
[President Trump:]
Without a wall – these are only areas where you have the walls.
[Chuck Schumer:]
We want to do this –
[President Trump:]
Where you have walls, Chuck, it’s effective. Where you don’t have walls, it is not effective.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
[inaudible] Let’s call a halt to this.
[Chuck Schumer:]
Ya.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Let’s call a halt to this. We have come in here – the first branch of government, article one, the legislative branch, we’re coming in, in good faith to negotiate with you about how we can keep the government open.
[Chuck Schumer:]
Open.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
The – the – the –
[President Trump:]
We’re going to keep it open –
[Nancy Pelosi:]
The American –
[President Trump:]
– if we have border security.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
The American – I’m with you –
[President Trump:]
If we don’t have border security, Chuck, we’re not going to keep it open.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
I’m with you. We are going to have border security. Effective border security.
[Chuck Schumer:]
And it’s the same – you’re bragging about what has been done.
[President Trump:]
By us.
[Chuck Schumer:] Source: LYBIO.net
We want to do the same thing we did last year this year this year. That’s our proposal. If it’s good then, it’s good now, and it won’t shut down the government.
[President Trump:]
Chuck, we can build a much bigger section with more money.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
We have taken – we have taken this conversation to a place that is devoid –
[Chuck Schumer:]
Let’s debate – let’s debate in private, OK. Let’s debate in private.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
– frankly, of fact, and we can dispel that –
[President Trump:]
We need border security. I think we all agree that we need border security, is that right?
[Chuck Schumer:]
Yes, we do. We do.
[President Trump:]
Good, good. See, we get along. Thank you, everybody.
[Reporter:]
Mr. President: You say border security and the wall. Can you have border security without the wall? [Inaudible]
[President Trump:]
You need – you need the wall. The wall is a part of border security.
[Reporter:]
Can you define what it means to have border security.
[President Trump:]
Yes, we need border security. The wall is a part of border security. You can’t have very good border security without the wall.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
That’s not true.
[President Trump:]
[Inaudible]
[Nancy Pelosi:]
That is a political promise. Border security is a way to effectively honor our responsibility –
[Chuck Schumer:]
And the experts say you can do border security without a wall, which is wasteful and doesn’t solve the problem.
[President Trump:]
It totally solves the problem, and it’s very important.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
I don’t want to take this – unfortunately this has spiraled downward from when we came at a place to say, how do we meet the needs of American people, who have needs. The economy has – it’s – people are losing their jobs. The market’s in a mood. Our members are already left with a –
[President Trump:]
Well, we have the lowest unemployment that we’ve had in 50 years.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Sixty people of the Republican Party have last – are losing their offices now because of the transition. People are not – the moral is not good.
[President Trump:]
And we gained in the Senate. Nancy, we’ve gained in the Senate. Excuse me, did we win the Senate? We won the Senate.
[Chuck Schumer:]
When the president brags that he won North Dakota and Indiana, he’s in real trouble.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
What I –
[President Trump:]
I did.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
– let me say this –
[President Trump:]
We did.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
– let me say this –
[President Trump:]
We did win North Dakota and Indiana.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
– this is the most unfortunate thing. We came in here in good faith, and we’re entering into a – this kind of a discussion in the public view.
[President Trump:]
But it’s not bad, Nancy. It’s called transparency.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Let us – no, no but – and – I know – it’s not transparency when we’re not stipulating to a set of facts, and when we want to have a debate with you about saying – we confront some of those facts, without saying to the public, this isn’t true.
[President Trump:]
You know what, we need border security. That’s what we’re going to be talking about, border security. If we don’t have border security, we’ll shut down the government. This country needs border security.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
We –
[President Trump:]
The wall is a part of border security. Let’s have a talk. We’re going to get the wall built, and we’ve done a lot of wall already.
[Reporter:]
– the wall? –
[President Trump:]
It’s a big section – it’s a big part of it.
[Reporter:]
– is it everything that you need?
[President Trump:]
It’s a big part of it. We need to have effective border security. We need a wall in certain parts, no, not all parts, but in certain parts of a 2,000-mile border, we need a wall.
[Reporter:] Source: LYBIO.net
How much money, for it?
[President Trump:]
Uh… we are doing it much under budget. We’re actually way under budget of the areas that we’ve renovated and areas that we’ve built. I would say if we got – if we got $5 billion dollars, we could do a tremendous chunk of wall.
[Reporter:]
Are you willing to accept less though, and are –
[President Trump:] Source: LYBIO.net
Well, we’re going to see. We’re going to see. Look, we have to have the wall. This isn’t a question; this is a national emergency. Drugs are pouring into our country. People with tremendous medical difficulty and medical problems are pouring in, and in many – in many cases it’s contagious. They’re pouring into our country. We have to have border security. We have to have a wall as part of border security. And I don’t think we really disagree so much.
I also know that, you know, Nancy’s in a situation where it’s not easy for her to talk right now, and I understand, and I fully understand that. We’re going to have a good discussion, and we’re going to see what happens. But we have to have border security.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Mr. President, Mr. President, please don’t characterize the strength that I bring to this meeting as the leader of the House Democrats, who just won a big victory.
[Chuck Schumer:]
Elections have consequences, Mr. President.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Let me just – let me just say…
[President Trump:]
That’s right. And that’s why the country is doing so well.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
But the President is representing in terms of his cards over there are not factual. We have to have an evidence-based conversation about what does work, what money has been spent and how effective it is. This isn’t about – this is about the security of our country. You take an oath to protect and defend. We don’t want to have that mischaracterized by anyone.
[President Trump:]
I agree with her. No, no, I agree with that.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
So let us have a conversation where we don’t have to contradict in public the statistics that you put forth, but instead can have a conversation about what will really work, and what the American people deserve from us, at this uncertain time in their lives where they have apprehension.
[Chuck Schumer:]
One thing I think we can agree on is we shouldn’t shut down the government over a dispute.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
Ya.
[Chuck Schumer:]
And you want to shut it down. You keep talking about it.
[President Trump:] Source: LYBIO.net
I, no no no… The last time Chuck you shut it down –
[Chuck Schumer:]
No no no…
[President Trump:]
– and you opened it up very quickly.
[Chuck Schumer:]
20 times. 20 times.
[President Trump:]
I don’t want to do what you did, Chuck.
[Chuck Schumer:]
20 times. You were called for I will shut down the government if I don’t get my wall. None of us has said…
[President Trump:]
You want to know something.
[Chuck Schumer:]
You said it.
[President Trump:] Source: LYBIO.net
OK, you want to put that on my.
[Chuck Schumer:]
You’ve said it.
[President Trump:]
I’ll take it.
[Chuck Schumer:]
Okay, good.
[President Trump:]
You know what I’ll say? Yes. If we don’t get what we want, one way or the other, whether it’s through you, through our military, through anything you want to call, I will shut down the government, absolutely.
[Chuck Schumer:]
Okay, I disagree.
[President Trump:]
And I’ll tell you why?
[Chuck Schumer:]
We disagree.
[President Trump:]
And I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. Because the people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame your for it. The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will the take the mantle of shutting down.
[Chuck Schumer:]
Good.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
That is …
[President Trump:]
I’m going to shut it down for border security.
[Chuck Schumer:]
You shouldn’t shut it down.
[Nancy Pelosi:]
[inaudible]
[President Trump:] Source: LYBIO.NET
Thank you very much everybody. Thank you.
President Trump’s Heated Exchange With Pelosi And Schumer Over Border Wall Security. The people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame your for it. The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. Complete Full Transcript, Dialogue, Remarks, Saying, Quotes, Words And Text.