Ben Shapiro Shreds Pro Abortion Argument At UBCFSC Talk
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[Ben Shapiro Shreds Pro Abortion Argument At UBCFSC Talk]
Happy Halloween Ben.
[Benjamin Aaron Shapiro:] Source: LYBIO.net
Thank you.
So I have an issue with your stance on abortion.
[Ben Shapiro:] Okay.
Right, so you define life is starting at conception through biology, pretty much.
[Ben Shapiro:] Right.
But I think you take the stance that life is intrinsically valuable, because it’s life. And that’s where I disagree. I think there is two things that make life valuable. I think consciousness, the ability to experience pain, senses, and stuff like that and personal identity, in particular psychological continuity identity. So the fact that we have memories, we have relationship, people have relationships to us. I think what…
[Ben Shapiro:] Do you mean both of those, or is it an either or? I just want to clarify your position.
Either or.
[Ben Shapiro:]
Okay. So if it’s either or, then people with Alzheimer’s have real continuity problems you can’t kill them.
No because people still have relationships with them though, right. So I just guess…
[Ben Shapiro:] I mean you have a relationship with them, but with people with advanced age Alzheimer’s they really don’t have relationships.
Okay, but for the sake of example like let’s say someone dies right. The family gets to decide what you do with the body, because I know you say when you say someone says oh it’s consciousness, and then they’re brain dead, you say well can you stab them? No you can’t because that’s the family’s decision what to do with the body. It’s the person’s decision what they want to do.
[Ben Shapiro:] So if the family decides to stab them, it’s okay to stab the person who is…
When they’re brain dead, yeah they want to…
[Ben Shapiro:] No, not – not brain dead, let’s say that you’re comatose for a – for a specifically and predictably short period of time, say nine months.
See now – what is the person? [APPLAUSE] No, no, no I feel – so I would say on the legal grounds it would depend if the person put it in the will. If the person has made clear statements like, hey don’t pull the plug on nine months, then don’t do that, because, I think, the first choice is…
[Ben Shapiro:] Well let’s say the person has not made such clear statements say the person can’t make such clear statements.
So then he’s just in a complete coma?
[Ben Shapiro:] Let’s say the person has not drawn up living will or have had conversations like this, they are in a car crash, they get the coma…
I would say – so I would say…
[Ben Shapiro:] You know the nine months they’re going to come out of the coma and they’re going to be fine. Are you allowed to stab?
So what they end up doing —
[Ben Shapiro:] Can the family say – these nine months stab the dude.
So they’re fine so they’re going to get their memories back?
[Ben Shapiro:] Um… Let’s say they don’t get the memories back.
Then I would say that that person is dead. And yeah, if the family wants to pull the plug, that’s fine. [BOO!] I would have no problem with that, yeah. I would have no problem with that, because it’s like – because that – like that person is dead.
[Ben Shapiro:] You’re getting into some dicey territory dude.
No, I think that person is dead, right. And that’s the best way to define life, is personal identity, and consciousness. That’s what makes life valuable.
[Ben Shapiro:] Right, so I think that again if you were to say both, that’s too much and if you were to even say either, I don’t think either one of those legs stands on its own. Okay, because what you really mean – this is the thing about having a baby. It’s a process of development. And this is the point that I’m making.
Yeah.
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There’s a period in this human life when that child does not have, or fetus, or embryo, whatever you’re going to call it, when this living thing does not have consciousness and does not have a sense of identity. But in nine months it will have consciousness.
Well I would say a minimum of three months it would.
[Ben Shapiro:] Well even then by the way – by the way babies don’t have a sense of identity for at least – for at least a certain number of months after they’re born.
The babies – the babies can recognize their parents voices after they’re born.
[Ben Shapiro:] That’s not a sense of identity, rats can identify –
No, no I’d say it is because – no it’s a form of memory though. That’s what I was…
[Ben Shapiro:] So are you a Jainist? Because animals also have a conscience.
No – yeah. No I would say that killing animals is wrong. You have no problem with that.
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So just to get this straight, killing Fluffy the hamster, deeply wrong. Killing a dude who wakes up from – who is going to wake up from a coma in nine months with memory problems, totally cool. Okay. Okay, I mean that’s fine. You can have that position. I’m just not going put you in charge of the NHS.
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Ben Shapiro Shreds Pro Abortion Argument At UBCFSC Talk. So just to get this straight, killing Fluffy the hamster, deeply wrong. Killing a dude who wakes up from – who is going to wake up from a coma in nine months with memory problems, totally cool. Complete Full Transcript, Dialogue, Remarks, Saying, Quotes, Words And Text.