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[Dan Savage] Source: LYBIO.net
The Bible, we’ll just talk about the Bible for a second ah. People often point out that they can’t help it – they can’t help with the anti-gay bullying, because it says right there in Leviticus, it says right there in Timothy, it says right there in Romans, that being gay is wrong.

We can learn to ignore the bullshit in the Bible about gay people. [applause] The same way, the same way we have learned to ignore the bullshit in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation. [applause] We ignore bullshit in the Bible about all sorts of things. The Bible is a radically pro-slavery document. Slave owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War and justified it. The shortest book in the New Testament is a letter from Paul to a Christian slave owner about owning his Christian slave. And Paul doesn’t say “Christians don’t own people.” Paul talks about how Christians own people.

We ignore what the Bible says about slavery, because the Bible got slavery wrong. Tim — ah, Sam Harris, in A Letter To A Christian Nation, points out that the Bible got the easiest moral question that humanity has ever faced wrong. Slavery! What’re the odds that the Bible got something as complicated as human sexuality wrong? 100% percent.

The Bible says that if your daughter’s not a virgin on her wedding night – if a woman isn’t a virgin on her wedding night, she shall be dragged to her father’s doorstep and stoned to death. Callista Gingrich lives. [applause] And there is no effort to amend state constitutions to make it legal to stone women to death on their wedding night if they’re not virgins. At least not yet. We don’t know where the GOP is going these days. [audience laughs]

People are dying because people can’t clear this one last hurdle. They can’t get past this one last thing in the Bible about homosexuality, um.

One other thing I wanna talk about is — [chuckles] — so, you can tell the Bible guys in the hall that they can come back now, because I’m done beating up the Bible. [applause]

It’s funny, as someone who’s on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible, how pansy-assed some people react when you push back. [applause]

[Dan Savage] Source: LYBIO.net
I apologize if I hurt anyone’s feelings, but I have a right to defend myself. And to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay bigotry by pointing to the Bible, and insisting we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue and no other.

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May 1, 2012

Andy @ 10:27 am #

(My follow up to Mr. Savage’s comments are as follows, in brackets. I’ll try to keep them simple.)

“The Bible, we’ll just talk about the Bible for a second. Uh … People often point out that they can’t help it. They can’t help with the anti-gay bullying, because it says right there in Leviticus, it says right there in Timothy, it
says right there in Romans, that being gay is wrong.

[No. The Bible says that ACTING gay is against nature and against God’s first command to be fruitful and multiply. We all have temptations that seem to be with us from birth (be it kleptomania, rage, depression, obsession, etc.) and no one is immune from that. We call this “original sin” or “man’s fallen nature” (Romans 3:23).]

We can learn to ignore the bullsh*t in the Bible about gay people.

[Did he really just refer to the sacred text for well over one-sixth of the planet as a bull’s defectation? I believe he did. But then again, this is the same person who tried to redefine former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum’s name as something I won’t address here. It appears that Dan Savage also deals with an inward pull toward original sin — he is a slanderer of both religious authorities and public officials.]

The same way, the same way we have learned to ignore the bullsh*t in the Bible about shellfish,

[Not “ignore.” It is no longer a legal requirement as the law was “finished” (John 19:30) on the cross. On top of that, Jesus told his follower Peter in a vision to “kill and eat” a sheet full of formerly unclean animals (Acts 11). That Mr. Savage doesn’t understand this shows that he is not qualified in the least to address or criticize the Bible.]

about slavery,

[I should probably also remind Mr. Savage that God freed a very famous enslaved Tribe. Perhaps
he never watched “The Ten Commandments.” He probably hates Charlton Heston too much for that!]

[God allows slavery, but then again he allows a lot of terrible things on this planet — though not his preference (will) for us. A strong case can be made from Scripture to abolish slavery, though, as Abolitionists also used the Bible to make their case. God’s ideal is that we not resort to that kind of barbarism. But since the majority of mankind throughout history has used slavery to achieve various ends, God urges peace among slaves and slave-owners.]

about dinner, about farming,

[These laws make sense in their primitive, agriculture-based societal context. We still benefit from them today — everything from rotating crops to gleaning are still practiced by many in agriculture today. But it appears Mr. Savage knows more about fertilizer (“bullsh*t) then he does crops!]

about menstruation,

[Again, the context is key to understanding why these rules were in place. The Israelites lived
in hot, very-much-lived-in tents in the dessert.]

about virginity,

[This would perhaps make a better, separate post, but the only time teen pregnancy and STD infection rates have plateaued in my home of Texas has been when abstinence movements have reached their peak of popularity. We’ve seen nothing but STD infections spread and teen pregnancies become normal in high schools since the so-called “sexual revolution.” Savage has made it clear that he wants to see more of this.]

about masturbation.

[Chapter and verse, please.]

We ignore bullshit in the Bible about all sorts of things.

[Again, it’s a difference between Old Testament and New Testament. If you don’t understand this, Mr. Savage, then you fail Christianity 101.]

The Bible is a radically pro-slavery document. Slave owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War and justified it.

[Again, he set the Israelites free. Multiple times. What more do you want?]

The shortest book in the New Testament is a letter from Paul to a Christian slave owner about owning his Christian slave. And Paul doesn’t say “Christians don’t own people.” Paul talks about how Christians own people. We ignore
what the Bible says about slavery, because the Bible got slavery wrong.

[Paul, who was in jail when he said this, wrote that no matter what your situation, you should submit to others in love. Again, that’s Christianity 101, but a message that even the most faithful of Jesus’ followers often miss.]

Uh … Sam Harris, in “A Letter To A Christian Nation,” points out that the Bible got the easiest moral question that humanity has ever faced wrong. Slavery!

[Sam Harris is a radical atheist. Not exactly the best source to convince Christians they’re wrong.]

What are the odds that the Bible got something as complicated as human sexuality wrong? One-hundred percent.

[I doubt Mr. Savage has read 100 percent of the Bible.]

The Bible says that if your daughter’s not a virgin on her wedding night – if a woman isn’t a virgin on her wedding night, she shall be dragged to her father’s doorstep and stoned to death. Callista Gingrich lives.

[Only if she claimed to be a virgin, before. That’s false witness, too. And, again, this was the Old Testament. Mrs. Gingrich was born about 1,950 years since the law was finished in Christ the Messiah. Today, if we believe on the gospel of Jesus Christ, we fulfill the Law of God.]

And there is no effort to amend state constitutions to make it legal to stone women to death on their wedding night if they’re not virgins. At least not yet. We don’t know where the GOP is going these days.

[The GOP (Republican Party) was formed, oh, 1,850 years after the New Testament was penned.
I’d imagine the Republican Party is living in that period.]

People are dying because people can’t clear this one last hurdle. They can’t get past this one last thing in the Bible about homosexuality.

[I’d counter that MORE people are dying from STD transmission because of promiscuity than have ever died from gay-bullying. And if you want to get graphic, it’s easier to contract STDs from gay sex between males as there is often blood involved. So, yes, gay people are dying.]

Uh … One other thing I wanna talk about is — so, you can tell the Bible guys in the hall that they can come back now, because I’m done beating up the Bible.

[“Beating up the Bible,” huh? Just like how so-called “homophobes” have beat up gay teenagers? Great example, Dan. You now qualify for the Hypocrites Club.]

It’s funny, as someone who’s on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible, how pansy-assed some people react when you push back.

[That’s exactly how the bullies in my school used to feel. It was SO funny to them whenever they placed someone else on the receiving end of their torment due to social sins they committed — be it social awkwardness, a nerdy fascination with some topic, out-of-fashion clothes, listening to outdated music, defying certain community values, etc. I was sometimes on the receiving end of this (but often fought back and won). And you know what? It wasn’t funny to me. Nor was your rant funny to the Christians in this audience.]

I apologize if I hurt anyone’s feelings, but I have a right to defend myself …

[I thought you said it was “funny.” That means it’s not just self-defense, but entertainment. I hope you enjoyed it.]

… and to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay bigotry by pointing to the Bible, and insisting we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue and no other.

[No Christian lives by the Code of Leviticus! The man you quoted earlier as supporting slavery says very clearly in his letter to the Church at Rome “… Sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace” (Romans 6:14).]

[And very, very few modern Jews live exactly according to Leviticus these days. There are scores of Rabinical teachings that strike a balance between how modern Israel (without a temple and sacrifice system) deals with sin and how Ancient Israel was commanded to punish sins. But if you don’t bother to read and understand the Old and New Testaments, you won’t have any time to delve into the Talmud.]

I’m sorry some Christian teens hurt your feelings by walking out on your speech, Dan. But don’t worry: It Gets Better!

You can have a life set free from your anger, bitterness and confusion through God’s Holy Spirit, given to you freely by Jesus Christ, the Savior of all humanity.

Believe on him and you can be free from both the requirements of that Old Testament Law AND inward sin. Teach his gospel to others and you can see others set free from that inward sin that leads teens to bully each other and for keynote speakers to harrass students for exercising their free speech rights.

I’ll pray for you this week, Mr. Savage, that one day I can call you brother and that things will truly get better.

May 4, 2012

John Richards @ 3:09 pm #

@Andy: I completely agree with you, Savage is wrong. He is arguing the wrong thing. As you pointed out when you asked “Did he really just refer to the sacred text for well over one-sixth of the planet as a bull’s defectation?” – the Bible is a sacred text for a MINORITY OF THE PLANET. For five-sixths of us what the Bible has to say about anything is irrelevant. If Christians choose to live by whatever rules they interpret the Bible to be laying down that’s fine for them. The problem is the Christian demand that their interpretation of the rules of their holy book be enshrined into civil law and apply to everyone.

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